Amber Listserv / Chinese fakes - success already in my quest!

Joy J ambercollector at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 30 13:16:27 EST 2006


It is an acceptable practice if the potential buyer knows up front that the amber has been altered from its natural form.  The problem is that too many sellers of such altered goods do not reveal to their customers that the amber has been, in some way, altered.  

In fact, Ive personally seen much of the above mentioned amber sold as 'natural'.  And heat induced colors and spangles are not 'natural'. 

-Joy

Lester Sayetta <sayless at adelphia.net> wrote:     Adam...
  
 Heat enhanced and  'sun-spangled' ambers from the Baltic, although possibly offensive to the  purist,   are ambers which have been produced for generations  in Germany, Denmark Poland and other Baltic amber countries.  It is an  accepted practice.
  
 Les
    ----- Original Message ----- 
   From:    ADAM    SPIEGEL 
   To: amberlistserv 
   Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:30    PM
   Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Chinese    fakes - success already in my quest!
   

        Anything which gets rid of those hucksters is good, but I would second      Tammi's caveat to be careful of possible lawsuits claiming defamation or      restraint of trade.  
      
     It has certainly gotten ridiculous, it seems sometimes that 90% of the      amber on eBay is the fake stuff.  When I go to shows I also spend a lot      of time explaining how to tell real from fake amber.  Its too bad that      the public is aware of amber fakes but not so much about all the fraud with      jade, turquoise, and other stones.  I have had to deal with more than      my share of people claiming my inventory is fake, although they know nothing      about amber.  
      
     We need to get rid of these fraudulent sellers before the whole amber      market is destroyed due to no one wishing to take the chance of buying      a fake.  Once we deal with the Chinese, we can work on the sellers of      Baltic and their dyed, enhanced, sun spangled, painted green/black,      reconstituted and ambroid goods.
      
     Adam

Mark Collins <collinsmarko at hotmail.com>      wrote:
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       Thank you for all your supporting        comments and advice on my quest to rid ebay of fakes. And good news, my        scheme seems to already have achieved notable success, see response below        from a bidder I emailed. My plan is going better than expected already!        
        
       Best regards,
        
       Mark.
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