Amber Listserv / Leaf?

Mon Oct 1 07:59:12 EDT 2007

John,

The two hole theory is great to know, I have a couple of pieces I might be able to finally identify now. I'm pretty sure the piece in question is dendritic, there's no point speculating about leaves and reptile skin, the pattern is simply too irregular to be of genetic origin.

Mark
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JOHN FUDALA 
  To: TOM BUCKLEY 
  Cc: amber group ; tamber12 at aol.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:56 AM
  Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

  About dendrite. I have piece of Baltic amber with a nice dendrite structure in it. I remember talking to Mr. Weitschat about it during Amberif fair two years ago, I think. He pointed out to me that there is always two holes in a piece of amber with such inclusion. A way in and a way out and sure enough, my piece has two holes.
  http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8800/img1372rp7.jpg

  John

  On 9/30/07, TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net > wrote: 
    Nice catch Tammi! I don't have the Atlas, but hope Santa will bring it this Christmas.  : ) I did look up lacewings in Grimaldi's Evolution of the Insects and I think you may be right. The cell structure of some of the wings looks very similar to what I have. What do you think Doug?

    Tom
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      From: tamber12 at aol.com 
      To: tbuck22 at optonline.net 
      Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:18 PM
      Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf? 

      Hey Tom,

      Do you have Atlas of Plants and Animals in Baltic Amber by Wichard and Weitshat?  On page 127 you see Lacebugs.  I have seen a few inclusions like your photo in other pieces, and they really look similar to parts of a lacebug.  I'm curious to see if you think so once you look at their body structure.  Mayflies and damselflies also have interesting and somewhat similar wing structures.  But I'm no entomologist, just an observation I'm making.  Very interesting anyway!

      Tammi

      -----Original Message-----
      From: TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net>
      To: tamber12 at aol.com; doug at lundberg.tv; amber at ambericawest.com
      Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 3:54 pm
      Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

      Tammi,

          A dendrite is a branched form of mineral structure which can resemble a tree or a fern, or ... a leaf. I've never run into dendrites in amber before. Most that I've seen look just like fossilized ferns in a stone matrix. Very deceiving.

      Tom
      ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: tamber12 at aol.com 
        To: doug at lundberg.tv ; amber at ambericawest.com 
        Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:08 PM
        Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

        I don't know, I'm thinking it resembles a wing of something I've seen.  I'll do some looking in my books to see if anything looks familiar.  

        By the way Doug, dendritic refers to trees doesn't it?  Ain't that botanical?  

        Tammi

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Doug Lundberg <doug at lundberg.tv>
        To: amber group <amber at ambericawest.com>
        Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:52 pm
        Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

        Tom,

        I would agree with you that the irregular pattern indicates that it is not botanical, probably dendritic in origin.

        Doug

        TOM BUCKLEY wrote:

          Hi. Is this a leaf? It was found in a piece of Baltic. Something about it just doesn't look right. Perhaps it's the irregular cell structure. Aren't plant cells more uniform? Any guesses or comments are always welcome. Thanks.

          Tom 

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