Amber Listserv / Leaf?

Wed Oct 3 06:59:59 EDT 2007

John,

    You just may be right.

Tom
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JOHN FUDALA 
  To: TOM BUCKLEY 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

  Hi Tom,

  my comment about dendrite was not so much a comment on your inclusion as  just a general note about dendrite. Your piece I feel is just amber with part of it that was exposed to outside and dried out forming the cracks on surface and the different color. Or perhaps it was like that some more under the crust but after the polishing only what you see remained.
  Or this was a separate flow of resin during different condition that was covered by another clear flow. But I do not feel this is a plant or animal inclusion.

  John

  On 10/1/07, TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net> wrote:
    John, Keith, Doris, Tammi, Doug, et al

        All good points. I've been looking at this inclusion from every angle and I must say my jury is still out. It just doesn't LOOK like any dendrite that I've ever seen. That is not to say that it isn't a mineral deposited by a water flow. Squashed bubbles? Doris, it certainly has a soap-bubble kind of look to it. Reptile skin? Yeah....that's it !!! E-bay here I come. I'll be rich I tell Ya ! Rich ! Tammi, I looked at pictures of lacewings and I must admit, the cell structure looks similar and the shape of the wing......could be. Doug, some of the cell structures of a lacewing are cubicle, but some are rather random in their structure. Look at the pictures in Grimaldi's book and you'll see what I mean.

        Keep thinking folks. I'm learning a lot. By the way, if there's a lurker who knows the answer and is just sitting back and laughing his or her butt off, please chime in.

    Tom  
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: JOHN FUDALA 
      To: TOM BUCKLEY 
      Cc: amber group ; tamber12 at aol.com 
      Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:56 PM
      Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf? 

      About dendrite. I have piece of Baltic amber with a nice dendrite structure in it. I remember talking to Mr. Weitschat about it during Amberif fair two years ago, I think. He pointed out to me that there is always two holes in a piece of amber with such inclusion. A way in and a way out and sure enough, my piece has two holes.
      http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8800/img1372rp7.jpg 

      John

      On 9/30/07, TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net > wrote: 
        Nice catch Tammi! I don't have the Atlas, but hope Santa will bring it this Christmas.  : ) I did look up lacewings in Grimaldi's Evolution of the Insects and I think you may be right. The cell structure of some of the wings looks very similar to what I have. What do you think Doug?

        Tom
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: tamber12 at aol.com 
          To: tbuck22 at optonline.net 
          Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:18 PM
          Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf? 

          Hey Tom,

          Do you have Atlas of Plants and Animals in Baltic Amber by Wichard and Weitshat?  On page 127 you see Lacebugs.  I have seen a few inclusions like your photo in other pieces, and they really look similar to parts of a lacebug.  I'm curious to see if you think so once you look at their body structure.  Mayflies and damselflies also have interesting and somewhat similar wing structures.  But I'm no entomologist, just an observation I'm making.  Very interesting anyway!

          Tammi

          -----Original Message-----
          From: TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net>
          To: tamber12 at aol.com; doug at lundberg.tv; amber at ambericawest.com
          Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 3:54 pm
          Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

          Tammi,

              A dendrite is a branched form of mineral structure which can resemble a tree or a fern, or ... a leaf. I've never run into dendrites in amber before. Most that I've seen look just like fossilized ferns in a stone matrix. Very deceiving.

          Tom
          ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: tamber12 at aol.com 
            To: doug at lundberg.tv ; amber at ambericawest.com 
            Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:08 PM
            Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

            I don't know, I'm thinking it resembles a wing of something I've seen.  I'll do some looking in my books to see if anything looks familiar.  

            By the way Doug, dendritic refers to trees doesn't it?  Ain't that botanical?  

            Tammi

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Doug Lundberg <doug at lundberg.tv>
            To: amber group < amber at ambericawest.com>
            Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:52 pm
            Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?

            Tom,

            I would agree with you that the irregular pattern indicates that it is not botanical, probably dendritic in origin.

            Doug

            TOM BUCKLEY wrote:

              Hi. Is this a leaf? It was found in a piece of Baltic. Something about it just doesn't look right. Perhaps it's the irregular cell structure. Aren't plant cells more uniform? Any guesses or comments are always welcome. Thanks.

              Tom 

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