Amber Listserv / Leaf?

TOM BUCKLEY tbuck22 at optonline.net
Thu Oct 4 09:43:01 EDT 2007 

Mitch,

    I'm kind of leaning in that direction now.

Tom
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  From: mssilver at optonline.net 
  To: TOM BUCKLEY 
  Cc: JOHN FUDALA ; amber group ; tamber12 at aol.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?


  To me, it looks like two flows.  It could be a crazed surface of a first flow which dried out a bit in the ancient sun, accumulated a bit of dirt, then a second flow came along and encased it.

  What do you all think of that theory?

  Mitch

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: TOM BUCKLEY 
  Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 8:03 am
  Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?
  To: JOHN FUDALA 
  Cc: amber group , tamber12 at aol.com

  > John, Keith, Doris, Tammi, Doug, et al
  > 
  > All good points. I've been looking at this inclusion from 
  > every angle and I must say my jury is still out. It just doesn't 
  > LOOK like any dendrite that I've ever seen. That is not to say 
  > that it isn't a mineral deposited by a water flow. Squashed 
  > bubbles? Doris, it certainly has a soap-bubble kind of look to 
  > it. Reptile skin? Yeah....that's it !!! E-bay here I come. I'll 
  > be rich I tell Ya ! Rich ! Tammi, I looked at pictures of 
  > lacewings and I must admit, the cell structure looks similar and 
  > the shape of the wing......could be. Doug, some of the cell 
  > structures of a lacewing are cubicle, but some are rather random 
  > in their structure. Look at the pictures in Grimaldi's book and 
  > you'll see what I mean.
  > 
  > Keep thinking folks. I'm learning a lot. By the way, if 
  > there's a lurker who knows the answer and is just sitting back 
  > and laughing his or her butt off, please chime in.
  > 
  > Tom 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: JOHN FUDALA 
  > To: TOM BUCKLEY 
  > Cc: amber group ; tamber12 at aol.com 
  > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:56 PM
  > Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?
  > 
  > 
  > About dendrite. I have piece of Baltic amber with a nice 
  > dendrite structure in it. I remember talking to Mr. Weitschat 
  > about it during Amberif fair two years ago, I think. He pointed 
  > out to me that there is always two holes in a piece of amber 
  > with such inclusion. A way in and a way out and sure enough, my 
  > piece has two holes.
  > http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8800/img1372rp7.jpg
  > 
  > John
  > 
  > 
  > On 9/30/07, TOM BUCKLEY wrote: 
  > Nice catch Tammi! I don't have the Atlas, but hope Santa 
  > will bring it this Christmas. : ) I did look up lacewings in 
  > Grimaldi's Evolution of the Insects and I think you may be 
  > right. The cell structure of some of the wings looks very 
  > similar to what I have. What do you think Doug?
  > 
  > Tom
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: tamber12 at aol.com 
  > To: tbuck22 at optonline.net 
  > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:18 PM
  > Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf? 
  > 
  > 
  > Hey Tom,
  > 
  > Do you have Atlas of Plants and Animals in Baltic Amber by 
  > Wichard and Weitshat? On page 127 you see Lacebugs. I have 
  > seen a few inclusions like your photo in other pieces, and they 
  > really look similar to parts of a lacebug. I'm curious to see 
  > if you think so once you look at their body structure. Mayflies 
  > and damselflies also have interesting and somewhat similar wing 
  > structures. But I'm no entomologist, just an observation I'm 
  > making. Very interesting anyway!
  > 
  > Tammi
  > 
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: TOM BUCKLEY 
  > To: tamber12 at aol.com; doug at lundberg.tv; amber at ambericawest.com
  > Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 3:54 pm
  > Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?
  > 
  > 
  > Tammi,
  > 
  > A dendrite is a branched form of mineral structure 
  > which can resemble a tree or a fern, or ... a leaf. I've never 
  > run into dendrites in amber before. Most that I've seen look 
  > just like fossilized ferns in a stone matrix. Very deceiving.
  > 
  > Tom
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  > From: tamber12 at aol.com 
  > To: doug at lundberg.tv ; amber at ambericawest.com 
  > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:08 PM
  > Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?
  > 
  > 
  > I don't know, I'm thinking it resembles a wing of 
  > something I've seen. I'll do some looking in my books to see if 
  > anything looks familiar. 
  > 
  > By the way Doug, dendritic refers to trees doesn't it? 
  > Ain't that botanical? 
  > 
  > Tammi
  > 
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Doug Lundberg 
  > To: amber group 
  > Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:52 pm
  > Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / Leaf?
  > 
  > 
  > Tom,
  > 
  > I would agree with you that the irregular pattern 
  > indicates that it is not botanical, probably dendritic in origin.
  > 
  > Doug
  > 
  > 
  > TOM BUCKLEY wrote:
  > 
  > Hi. Is this a leaf? It was found in a piece of Baltic. 
  > Something about it just doesn't look right. Perhaps it's the 
  > irregular cell structure. Aren't plant cells more uniform? Any 
  > guesses or comments are always welcome. Thanks.
  > 
  > Tom 
  > 
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