Amber Listserv / blue
Info_BlueAmber
info at blueamber.com
Wed May 7 22:59:08 EDT 2008
Dear John (some letters start like this....;))
You are right about the fake amber and plastic. And I try to help making the public aware of this. Just got an answer from a Chinese company to a message I wrote them. See below a part of the correspondence after I had asked them whether they would give me a certificate for the amber they offer. ;)
In behalf of my little niche: There are only about 150 - 200 kilos of good blue amber per year available. Nothing to brag about, you're right. Nothing to make me or anyone rich either. But, we are not looking for quantity. Just trying to keep up quality and defending 100 % natural amber the way it comes from the mine. Maybe I am a puritan. But maybe my case was lost before it even started, when in the first century they boiled Baltic amber "in the fat of a suckling pig". ( http://www.amberwholesale.com/colors.html ) Not much else that I can say in my defense. Therefore, no offense given and none taken. Just a different viewpoint.
And copal? Not long ago, I received inquiries from Poland (!) for copal, Colombian or from elsewhere. Large quantities, they say... wonder what they're up to....'nuff said.
But, if you know of someone who would be interested in purchasing all the other colors we have here, good old amber from trusted mines (up to 40 mio years old, just like Baltic amber *) hey, let me know. Thanks in advance. Here we say: "Firemen in action don't step on eachother's hoses."
kind regards,
Hermann
*compare http://www.gplatt.demon.co.uk/baltic.htm and http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CE2DD123BF936A1575AC0A964958260 )
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Dear Mr. Hermann,
Thank you for your email. Amber is all synthetic.We have largest catalog of Jewlery in the world. Prices are on our websites,We have 3 websites and over 5000's of products online.You can mail us your order from our websites....
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Dear Sir
Thank you for your frank and honest explanation. I was just wondering because of the price.
For your understanding: There is no synthetic amber. There might be a synthetic resin, but no synthetic amber. Maybe in Chinese. To check the meaning of the English word "amber" maybe you want to consult http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber
Please allow me a suggestion: don't call it amber. It will confound the customer and harm your and Chinese credibility on the market. At least, make sure that customers are aware of the fact that it is not amber but synthetic resin, resembling amber. Also, your customers might be liable for a legal demand or get sued, if they sell it as "amber".
Thank you for taking this into consideration for your and your customer's protection.
Regards,
Hermann K. Dittrich
AmbarAzul, LLC
http://www.blueamber.com
Answer:
May 06 2008 19:02:39 -0700
THANK YOU WE ALWAYS TELLS OUR CUSTOMERS ( WHILE GENERATING THE ORDER) THIS THING THAT IT IS SYNTHETIC AMBER THAT'S IS I THINK SUFFICENT FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN FUDALA
To: Info_BlueAmber
Cc: TOM BUCKLEY ; The Edgars ; amber at ambericawest.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / blue
Here we go again... <roll eyes>
It is easy to say things that make you seem special. But it is not hard to be special when you are in a specialty niche market. How much blue amber do you sell in a year?
One kilo? Ten kilo? Twenty? Even if it is hundreds of kilos it is peanuts with the volume of Baltic amber used in jewellery, yet you have to buy lots of mixed quality rough sometimes.
If Poland alone uses over 200 tonnes of Baltic amber per year- don't you think they are, at least sometimes, forced to buy rough of mixed quality?
Hats off to people who know how to use this stuff and make of it what the market demands.
Yes, what the marked demands. There are buyers who will pay for natural beauties, and there are buyers who ask for spangles and mixed colors. It would be silly not to offer what sells.
As for fakes and forgeries- that is a whole another subject. Than again, copal is offered all over Dominican Republic and buyers have to be careful too.
There is no conspiracy to sell mediocre quality stuff, the Amber Association and World Council are not creating sweet sounding cover-up words for it. This is huge business where fortunes are made. What these organizations are trying to do is to somehow tame and organize this mess so consumers will be sure what they are buying. And it is not easy in a World where every one and their cousins are trying to sell "amber" and "amber" products.
What is "amber" in this global World? Should anything made with "amber" be allowed in the market?
Thirty or forty years ago amber meant amber- it came from Europe. Amber jewellery was nice and good for you to wear. Amber tinctures or medicines contained amber. The stuff from Russia or Poland that was used for centuries or thousands of years.
Today?
Today the term "amber" has lost its meaning. Anybody trying to sell plastic or copal calls it amber.
Any other fossil resin gets called "amber" too. While with jewellery one might just loose some money, with medicinal or beauty products the risks are higher.
Like you said, it is not easy to please everyone. Clients burned once, may never come back. It's a big task that these two organisations have on their agenda. Very important one.
On 5/7/08, Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com> wrote:
Thanks, Tom. But it isn't easy.
Many times, I just have to swallow some of the lower quality I have to buy to get the good stones. And since we do not do any "enhancing" (what they elegantly) call it, I have some buckets of lower quality I have to sell for less in order not to loose my good name in the blue amber business.
Hermann
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM BUCKLEY
To: Info_BlueAmber ; The Edgars ; amber at ambericawest.com
Cc: amber group
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / blue
Hermann,
You should be very proud of those comments. In today's business world I fear that you are one of the exceptions. Well done !
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Info_BlueAmber
To: TOM BUCKLEY ; The Edgars ; amber at ambericawest.com
Cc: amber group
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / blue
Of course, Tom, to keep everybody happy is almost impossible. We all know that.
But we do our best to merrit our customers' sincere commendations. And we seem to be succeeding.
Please read below examples of spontaneous reactions.
Hi,
the packet arrived today in the morning. What can I say? Simply beautiful!!! A lot better than the photos!!! I'm very happy.
Thanks a lot for all your help and all your courtesy,
A., Italy
Hello, I have received the stone and I must say that the picture did not make justice to it.
It is superb! I am fully satisfied.
Best Wishes
R. G. Italy
Dear H.
Just got home ... it was sitting a the door and have just "strung" them together to see what they look like The colour is superb - so different from the Baltic Amber that I have. I didn't mention that I'm a bit of an amber fan with lots of pieces in various colours. I can make it into a very nice bracelet - but it will need "padding out" with a couple of gold beads. I don't suppose you would consider another order? As I said I can make do with these ones, but some more would be even better
With many, many thanks
J.D. Australia
Dear H.
I have received the parcel yesterday and what can I say as usual it's beautiful.
When you know some one very far from you and there is a strong trust between you this means friendship, I'm really like to deal with you because you are honest, nice , clear , advisable and have very good product ( Amber). So it's normal to continue business with you till to date which have been started from 2005. 2 years of trust 2 years of satisfaction 2 years of friendship 2 years of good business 2 years of having the most great specimen in blue amber and other colors.
We have to enjoy life and the beautiful gifts from the creator (God) like health, brain and amber :).
Thank you H. for every thing.
H.S.A Qatar
and so on....
Check out our complete customer feedback on that: http://www.ambarazul.com/customers_comments.php
Hermann
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM BUCKLEY
To: The Edgars ; amber at ambericawest.com
Cc: amber group
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Amber Listserv / blue
As I'm sure you'll agree.....It's difficult to always get the blue color to appear rich and vibrant. I'd be willing to bet that many people who buy blue amber from a photograph, and really don't understand where the color comes from, are disappointed when the piece arrives in the mail.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: The Edgars
To: amber at ambericawest.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:10 AM
Subject: Amber Listserv / blue
hey tom
I would agree if you cut blues on the right angle to the matrix they can work out good
here is a example
or if you want them in jewelry you could always mount them on black
w
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