Amber Listserv / blue

Thu May 8 08:48:20 EDT 2008

Let me quote:

The Gdansk International Fair Co.
The Museum of the Earth of the Polish Academy of Sciences in Warsaw.
XIV Seminar: Deposits of Amber and Other Fossil Resins Throughout the World.

"Amber Deposits in the Dominican Republic and Mexico."
Dr. Wolfgang Weitschat,
Geological-Palaentological Institute and Museum,
University of Hamburg, Germany

...
"Concerning the geological age of the Dominican amber, there exists some
confusion.
Reports of the age from the different deposits vary from as old as Early
Eocene (45 mio. years) in the northern area (Eberle, et al. 1980, Poinar,
1992) to as young as Lower Miocene (20 mio. years old) in the eastern area
(Baroni-Urbani & Saunders, 1982, Lambert et al., 1985).
Quite different results have been reported from the geological study of
Iturralde-Vinent & MacPhee (1996). Based on biostratigraphic and
palaeogeographic data from several parts of Hispaniola, they came to the
conclusion that the northern and eastern amber areas were part of a single
sedimentary basin which was formed during the Late Early Miocene throughout
Early Middle Miocene (15-20 mio.years ago). Later this basin was disrupted
by tectonic movements.
This result is heavily supported by identical microfossilassemblages sampled
from different sites from the northern area (Palo Alto mine) and the
southern area (Colonia San Rafael) which both indicate a Late Early Miocene
age.
In addition, the phylogenetic position of arthropods preserved in Dominican
and Baltic amber shows Dominican taxa to be relatively younger than the 45
mio., Baltic fossils (Grimaldi, 1995).
Following these results, dating Dominican amber back to 40 milion years is
no longer worth discussing."

John
.....

On 5/8/08, TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net> wrote:
>
>  John,
>
>     George Poinar relates that the age of Dominican amber depends on the
> mine from which it came. The dating is based upon examination of marine
> microfossils that occur within the bedrock. The La Toca mines has amber from
> 30-40 MYO and the Palo Quemado mine's amber is 20-23 MYO.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* JOHN FUDALA <ambersafari at gmail.com>
> *To:* Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com>
> *Cc:* TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net> ; The Edgars <theedgars at shaw.ca>;
> amber at ambericawest.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:46 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Amber Listserv / blue
>
> Hi Hermann;)))
>
> I hope you did not take any offense, because none was intended.
> It is just that repeating certain slogans that are negative and very
> nonspecific is not good, sort of a negative campaign- you of all people do
> not need it in my opinion. Blue Dominican amber is gorgeous and unique, all
> natural fossil resin that deserves all the attention it gets.
>
> You mention about Dominican amber being 40* million years old.
> The article written by MALCOLM W. BROWNE mentions a lot of names and ages-
> very easy to get lost in thought train about what is it talking about, in
> any given part of it. Clearly not his area of expertise.
> Last year at Amberif's science seminar dr Weitschat gave a lecture about
> Dominican amber in which he presented exhausting geological evidence of the
> deposits being 18 million years old. I am rather surprised you are not aware
> of it.
>
> John
>
> On 5/7/08, Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Dear John (some letters start like this....;))
> >
> > You are right about the fake amber and plastic. And I try to help making
> > the public aware of this. Just got an answer from a Chinese company to a
> > message I wrote them. See below a part of the correspondence after I had
> > asked them whether they would give me a certificate for the amber they
> > offer. ;)
> >
> > In behalf of my little niche: There are only about 150 - 200 kilos of
> > good blue amber per year available. Nothing to brag about, you're right.
> > Nothing to make me or anyone rich either. But, we are not looking for
> > quantity. Just trying to keep up quality and defending 100 % natural amber
> > the way it comes from the mine. Maybe I am a puritan. But maybe my case was
> > lost before it even started, when in the first century they boiled Baltic
> > amber "in the fat of a suckling pig". (
> > http://www.amberwholesale.com/colors.html ) Not much else that I can say
> > in my defense. Therefore, no offense given and none taken. Just a
> > different viewpoint.
> >
> > And copal? Not long ago, I received inquiries from Poland (!) for copal,
> > Colombian or from elsewhere. Large quantities, they say... wonder what
> > they're up to....'nuff said.
> >
> > But, if you know of someone who would be interested in purchasing all
> > the other colors we have here, good old amber from trusted mines (up to 40
> > mio years old, just like Baltic amber *) hey, let me know. Thanks in
> > advance. Here we say: "Firemen in action don't step on eachother's
> > hoses."
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Hermann
> >
> > *compare http://www.gplatt.demon.co.uk/baltic.htm and
> > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CE2DD123BF936A1575AC0A964958260
> >  )
> >
> > ..................................
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Hermann,
> >
> > Thank you for your email. Amber is all synthetic.We have largest catalog
> > of Jewlery in the world. Prices are on our websites,We have 3 websites and
> > over 5000's of products online.You can mail us your order from our
> > websites....
> >
> > ................................
> >
> >
> > Dear Sir
> >
> > Thank you for your frank and honest explanation. I was just wondering
> > because of the price.
> >
> > For your understanding: There is no synthetic amber. There might be a
> > synthetic resin, but no synthetic amber. Maybe in Chinese. To check the
> > meaning of the English word "amber" maybe you want to consult
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber
> >
> > Please allow me a suggestion: don't call it amber. It will confound the
> > customer and harm your and Chinese credibility on the market. At least, make
> > sure that customers are aware of the fact that it is not amber but synthetic
> > resin, resembling amber. Also, your customers might be liable for a legal
> > demand or get sued, if they sell it as "amber".
> >
> > Thank you for taking this into consideration for your and your
> > customer's protection.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hermann K. Dittrich
> > AmbarAzul, LLC
> > http://www.blueamber.com
> >
> > Answer:
> >
> >   May 06 2008 19:02:39 -0700
> > THANK YOU WE ALWAYS TELLS OUR CUSTOMERS ( WHILE GENERATING THE ORDER)
> > THIS THING THAT IT IS SYNTHETIC AMBER THAT'S IS I THINK SUFFICENT FOR THEM
> > TO UNDERSTAND AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* JOHN FUDALA <ambersafari at gmail.com>
> > *To:* Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com>
> > *Cc:* TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net> ; The Edgars<theedgars at shaw.ca>;
> > amber at ambericawest.com
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:11 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Amber Listserv / blue
> >
> > Here we go again... <roll eyes>
> > It is easy to say things that make you seem special. But it is not hard
> > to be special when you are in a specialty niche market. How much blue amber
> > do you sell in a year?
> > One kilo? Ten kilo? Twenty? Even if it is hundreds of kilos it is
> > peanuts with the volume of Baltic amber used in jewellery, yet you have to
> > buy lots of mixed quality rough sometimes.
> > If Poland alone uses over 200 tonnes of Baltic amber per year- don't you
> > think they are, at least sometimes, forced to buy rough of mixed quality?
> > Hats off to people who know how to use this stuff and make of it what
> > the market demands.
> > Yes, what the marked demands. There are buyers who will pay for natural
> > beauties, and there are buyers who ask for spangles and mixed colors. It
> > would be silly not to offer what sells.
> > As for fakes and forgeries- that is a whole another subject. Than again,
> > copal is offered all over Dominican Republic and buyers have to be careful
> > too.
> > There is no conspiracy to sell mediocre quality stuff, the Amber
> > Association and World Council are not creating sweet sounding cover-up words
> > for it. This is huge business where fortunes are made. What these
> > organizations are trying to do is to somehow tame and organize this mess so
> > consumers will be sure what they are buying. And it is not easy in a World
> > where every one and their cousins are trying to sell "amber" and "amber"
> > products.
> > What is "amber" in this global World? Should anything made with "amber"
> > be allowed in the market?
> > Thirty or forty years ago amber meant amber- it came from Europe. Amber
> > jewellery was nice and good for you to wear. Amber tinctures or medicines
> > contained amber. The stuff from Russia or Poland that was used for centuries
> > or thousands of years.
> > Today?
> > Today the term "amber" has lost its meaning. Anybody trying to sell
> > plastic or copal calls it amber.
> > Any other fossil resin gets called "amber" too. While with jewellery one
> > might just loose some money, with medicinal or beauty products the risks are
> > higher.
> > Like you said, it is not easy to please everyone. Clients burned once,
> > may never come back. It's a big task that these two organisations have on
> > their agenda. Very important one.
> >
> > On 5/7/08, Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Thanks, Tom. But it isn't easy.
> > >
> > > Many times, I just have to swallow some of the lower quality I have to
> > > buy to get the good stones. And since we do not do any "enhancing" (what
> > > they elegantly) call it, I have some buckets of lower quality I have to sell
> > > for less in order not to loose my good name in the blue amber business.
> > >
> > > Hermann
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net>
> > > *To:* Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com> ; The Edgars<theedgars at shaw.ca>;
> > > amber at ambericawest.com
> > > *Cc:* amber group <amber at ambericawest.com>
> > >  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:38 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Amber Listserv / blue
> > >
> > > Hermann,
> > >
> > >     You should be very proud of those comments. In today's business
> > > world I fear that you are one of the exceptions. Well done !
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Info_BlueAmber <info at blueamber.com>
> > > *To:* TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net> ; The Edgars<theedgars at shaw.ca>;
> > > amber at ambericawest.com
> > > *Cc:* amber group <amber at ambericawest.com>
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:36 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Amber Listserv / blue
> > >
> > > Of course, Tom, to keep everybody happy is almost impossible. We all
> > > know that.
> > >
> > > But we do our best to merrit our customers' sincere commendations. And
> > > we seem to be succeeding.
> > >
> > > Please read below examples of spontaneous reactions.
> > >
> > >  Hi,
> > > the packet arrived today in the morning. What can I say? Simply
> > > beautiful!!! A lot better than the photos!!! I'm very happy.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for all your help and all your courtesy,
> > > A., *Italy*
> > > **
> > >  Hello, I have received the stone and I must say that the picture did
> > > not make justice to it.
> > > It is superb! I am fully satisfied.
> > > Best Wishes
> > > R. G. *Italy*
> > > **
> > >
> > > Dear H.
> > > Just got home ... it was sitting a the door and have just "strung"
> > > them together to see what they look like The colour is superb - so different
> > > from the Baltic Amber that I have. I didn't mention that I'm a bit of an
> > > amber fan with lots of pieces in various colours. I can make it into a very
> > > nice bracelet - but it will need "padding out" with a couple of gold beads.
> > > I don't suppose you would consider another order? As I said I can make do
> > > with these ones, but some more would be even better
> > > With many, many thanks
> > > J.D. *Australia*
> > >  Dear H.
> > > I have received the parcel yesterday and what can I say as usual it's
> > > beautiful.
> > > When you know some one very far from you and there is a strong trust
> > > between you this means friendship, I'm really like to deal with you because
> > > you are honest, nice , clear , advisable and have very good product (
> > > Amber). So it's normal to continue business with you till to date which have
> > > been started from 2005. 2 years of trust 2 years of satisfaction 2 years of
> > > friendship 2 years of good business 2 years of having the most great
> > > specimen in blue amber and other colors.
> > > We have to enjoy life and the beautiful gifts from the creator (God)
> > > like health, brain and amber :).
> > > Thank you H. for every thing.
> > > H.S.A *Qatar*
> > >
> > > and so on....
> > >
> > >
> > > Check out our complete customer feedback on that:
> > > http://www.ambarazul.com/customers_comments.php
> > >
> > > Hermann
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* TOM BUCKLEY <tbuck22 at optonline.net>
> > > *To:* The Edgars <theedgars at shaw.ca> ; amber at ambericawest.com
> > > *Cc:* amber group <amber at ambericawest.com>
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:37 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Amber Listserv / blue
> > >
> > > As I'm sure you'll agree.....It's difficult to always get the blue
> > > color to appear rich and vibrant. I'd be willing to bet that many people who
> > > buy blue amber from a photograph, and really don't understand where the
> > > color comes from, are disappointed when the piece arrives in the mail.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* The Edgars <theedgars at shaw.ca>
> > > *To:* amber at ambericawest.com
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:10 AM
> > > *Subject:* Amber Listserv / blue
> > >
> > > hey tom
> > > I would agree if you cut blues on the right angle to the matrix they
> > > can work out good
> > > here is a example
> > > or if you want them in jewelry you could always mount them on black
> > > w
> > >
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